Pope Benedict XVI called for a “true world political authority” to manage the economy in his new encyclical on social justice. The encyclical, entitled “Charity in Truth,” was released by the Vatican on Tuesday and signed by the pope a day earlier.

Benedict’s encyclical specifically called for “regulation of the financial sector,” and a “worldwide redistribution of energy resources.” Benedict added that “the State’s role seems destined to grow” if his political prescription is followed.

“There is urgent need of a true world political authority,” Benedict wrote in the 30,000-word encyclical, calling for “reform of the United Nations Organization, and likewise of economic institutions and international finance, so that the concept of the family of nations can acquire real teeth.”

Benedict described what a powerful world government with teeth would look like: “Such an authority would need to be universally recognized and to be vested with the effective power to ensure security for all.” He added: “Obviously it would have to have the authority to ensure compliance with its decisions from all parties” — that is, nations.

At best, Benedict is proposing a global federation that would improve upon the U.S. Constitution’s checks and balances. “Such an authority would need to be regulated by law, to observe consistently the principles of subsidiarity,” Benedict says.

What’s “subsidiarity”?

It’s a Catholic social principle that says that all events should be handled by the least centralized competent authority. One example of subsidiarity in the U.S. Constitution is the 10th Amendment, which says “The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.”

Benedict is calling for a global federalized state using the principle of subsidiarity: “Hence the principle of subsidiarity is particularly well-suited to managing globalization and directing it towards authentic human development. In order not to produce a dangerous universal power of a tyrannical nature, the governance of globalization must be marked by subsidiarity, articulated into several layers and involving different levels that can work together.”

Although he’s correct when he writes “subsidiarity is the most effective antidote against any form of all-encompassing welfare state,” much of the underlying assumptions of the social policies he proposes in the encyclical would mandate a globally-managed welfare state and dump the principle of subsidiarity.

Although he says “the Church does not have technical solutions to offer” in the way of political plans, it’s clear he is calling for the mandatory transfer of wealth from the haves to the have-nots through the brute force of the state. He even offers one suggestion as to how this might be made less objectionable to those whose wealth would be taken:

One possible approach to development aid would be to apply effectively what is known as fiscal subsidiarity, allowing citizens to decide how to allocate a portion of the taxes they pay to the State. Provided it does not degenerate into the promotion of special interests, this can help to stimulate forms of welfare solidarity from below, with obvious benefits in the area of solidarity for development as well.

Of course, letting citizens choose their taxation in the form of government “charity” would necessarily lead to special interests, as aid groups and governments compete for aid. It’s part of the fallen nature of man for such competitions. Benedict states in the encyclical that “attitudes of gratuitousness cannot be established by law,” but then proposes that governments attempt to do just that. The Christian principle of charity is that it is voluntary, or it isn’t charity. Governments, Benedict should know, are more often representative of the fallen side of human nature than are the persons who make up the governed.

And that’s the basic problem with Benedict’s encyclical. It’s based primarily upon the assumption that governments are essentially institutions of good, while free markets are not self-regulating (or even self-sustaining) institutions that produce vice and license. “Profit is useful if it serves as a means towards an end that provides a sense both of how to produce it and how to make good use of it. Once profit becomes the exclusive goal, if it is produced by improper means and without the common good as its ultimate end, it risks destroying wealth and creating poverty.” Published in the wake of the current financial scandals, Benedict’s meaning becomes all the more clear. He blames the current global economic crisis on “badly managed and largely speculative financial dealing” among the private sector and says that “the regulation of the financial sector, so as to safeguard weaker parties and discourage scandalous speculation … should be further explored and encouraged.”

But in fact the current economic crisis was government-made, not private speculator-made. The speculators in the markets only reacted to extremely loose credit policies employed by the U.S. Federal Reserve Bank, a creature of the state.

Benedict argues that there’s an “urgent need of a true world political authority.” But if the world government is a tyranny, we don’t need it; and if men were good enough to be trusted to run that world government, a world government wouldn’t be necessary. As James Madison noted in The Federalist #51: “If men were angels, no government would be necessary. If angels were to govern men, neither external nor internal controls on government would be necessary. In framing a government which is to be administered by men over men, the great difficulty lies in this: you must first enable the government to control the governed; and in the next place oblige it to control itself. A dependence on the people is, no doubt, the primary control on the government; but experience has taught mankind the necessity of auxiliary precautions.”

Benedict says he wants a world government. He shouldn’t. World government should be approached with the same circumspection that one approaches nuclear warfare. Indeed, mere national governments have killed many times more people in peacetime than nuclear weapons have in warfare. A world government powerful enough to “to ensure compliance with its decisions from all parties” is also a world government powerful enough to impose a global tyranny that could result in the murder of countless millions. The history of the world has taught that most people were not allowed to be free by their governments in the past, or even in the present. Most people who have walked this world have done so as slaves to the state. Incautious language about the supposed “urgent need” for a global political authority may convince many Catholics and other Christians to accept whatever world government they can get, and what they’ll likely end up with — if history is any guide — is a brutal tyranny. 

Abandonment of Traditional Catholic Social Teaching

Pope Leo XIII’s classic 1891 social encyclical Rerum Novarum cited the scriptures almost exclusively as its authority for Catholic social teaching, along with a few of the patristic writings of church doctors such as Thomas Aquinas and Augustine. Rerum Novarum defended property rights and the commandments not to steal and covet as key to the social order under man’s fallen and sinful state. Benedict’s encyclical ignores those two commandments entirely, and makes no mention of property rights whatsoever. It mentions Rerum Novarum in passing, but ignores both the scriptures as well as Augustine and Aquinas.

Though nearly all the footnotes in Benedict’s encyclical refer to post-Vatican II documents, Benedict points in his encyclical to a coherence of past and recent Catholic teachings: “It is not a case of two typologies of social doctrine, one pre-conciliar and one post-conciliar, differing from one another: on the contrary, there is a single teaching, consistent and at the same time ever new. It is one thing to draw attention to the particular characteristics of one Encyclical or another, of the teaching of one Pope or another, but quite another to lose sight of the coherence of the overall doctrinal corpus.” If nearly all the documents cited by Benedict were post-conciliar (after Vatican II, which took place in the 1960s), how does that reflect coherence with 2000 years of history? If Benedict’s new encyclical represented old teachings of the Catholic Church, the least he could have done was to cite a few examples.

Instead of using time-tested Catholic social justice principles, Benedict employed trendy slogans such as “food security”/“food insecurity” and how the world is “increasingly interconnected” and “interdependent.” So it’s not surprising that the leftist New York Times trumpeted that “Pope Benedict XVI on July 7 called for a 'world political authority' to manage the global economy and for more government regulation of national economies to pull the world out of the current crisis and avoid a repeat.”

Conservative and libertarian Catholics who understand economics can expect to be pilloried as being anti-Catholic if they hold to the economic and political realities of the modern world in the wake of Benedict’s encyclical. But Catholics who disagree with the pope's understanding of social justice do have a defense: the encyclical was not issued “ex cathedra,” and is therefore not binding on Catholics. The Catholic Church teaches that the pope has the power to bind the faithful only when speaking “ex cathedra.” The “ex cathedra” pronouncements are so infrequent that most popes do not make any. An “ex cathedra” pronouncement can happen only when a certain set of formalized criteria are met: 1. the pope claims to be speaking on behalf of the worldwide church from the seat of the Apostle Peter; 2. he specifically states that he is binding the faithful for all time on the doctrine; 3. the doctrine is about faith and morals; and 4. he can’t contradict past church doctrines.

In the case of “Charity in Truth,” Benedict XVI has issued an ordinary encyclical letter, and none of the criteria for “ex cathedra” were satisfied. But the question for the rank-and-file Catholics around the world is this: will this distinction matter, or will they unthinkingly follow the extremely dangerous new social doctrine of the Vatican?

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Flu-Bird said:

	His namesake Looks like POPE BENNEDICT is living up to his infamous NAME SAKE in american history HE IS A TRAITOR TO GOD
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Casey King said:

	It has been written I may not be the best at understanding the book of Revelations, but it looks like Pope Bennedict is working in concert with the ideas of another political power [here in the US] to push for and create a new goverment to control the world.......hmmmm....can't say I was surprised by this article.
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makessense said:

	1st ammendment i guess that is why i love the whole "separation of church and state" thing so much
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Ecle said:

	... Funny that Obama is in Italy ?? Coincidence? I don't believe that it is. There will be a pact with these two...in the near future YOU WATCH!
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Teresa said:

Treble As a practicing Catholic I do know that the pope is not infallible on issues concerning government and the economy. He is just stating his opinion and some of it may have some truth. I grew up reading The New American Magazine and have been a long time Independent. I'm an Accountant and have managed the books for at least 40 different businesses in my life and in the past year I have been struggling with the whole idea of Capitalism and feel very conflicted after repeatedly witnessing so much selfishness and greed in such a system. From my experience, businesses go under not because of government burdens but because of greed, greed like I could have never imagined. As the years go by, I feel like I have been straying towards Socialist thinking and It frightens me to abandon everything I've always believed in. In my heart I believe Capitalism can only function properly in a society that holds to real Christian priciples. I'm sorry but that doesn't sound at all like our society. Materialism and Power are our gods. Look at the big, greedy, bank executives and their actions after the Bailout. If only I could come accoss an unselfish business owner, I can shake off this ugly feeling. I do think this great article helps me out a bit.

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Warren the writer said:

A thought for Teresa I think part of the conflict you feel is because capitalism and socialism are usually presented as opposites. In reality, everyone is a capitalist, because capital is the means of production. We have to distinguish between private capitalism (free enterprise), government-managed capitalism (fascism), and government-owned capitalism (socialism). Greed is a human vice that can infect the practitioner of any of these systems, but it manifests itself differently in each system. Free enterprise is still the best option, but with freedom comes responsibility. Adams said that our Constitution was designed to govern only a moral people. If our free enterprise system and republican form of government is to survive, there must be a corresponding moral restoration. We cannot have it both ways — we must choose either freedom and morality or immorality and slavery.

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Teresa said:

	Treble To Casey King: If you want to understand the book of Revelation you may want to read "The Lamb's Supper" by Scott Hahn. It's very surprising to find out what it's really about.
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Teresa said:

	Treble Thank you Warren for clarifying that. I should have known better to use the term "free enterprise". You give me comfort by explaining that greed can infect any system. You are correct. I should not abandon the belief in the free enterprise system.
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Lee Gonzales said:

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Mikey Pinkie-rings said:

	I don't know about you, but this encyclical scares the living daylights out of me. Holy cow! Who would have ever thought that the Pope would advocate for world government? Wow.
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capo said:

Pope pimping for World Government If you took out the few minor fragments and rewordings of scripture, there would be no way to tell this 30,000 plus word document apart from a UN commission report. All the fashionable buzz words of globalese are favorably referenced: stakeholders, micro-credit, solidarity, social capital, transparency, democracy, etc... "At best," the pope is a willing dupe. But, he is too smart for that. He knows full well the kind of people who put together and run the UN...and what empowering them will do for human salvation. So, if he is not a willing dupe...

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rockhill villani said:

Pope and the Bible I am not an expert on the Bible, just a devoted student to it, and I do not understand how the Pope could want a world government with the knowledge he must possess from the Book of Revelations. God's Word warns me of the signs to look for in the end times and a one-world government is one of them. As a Catholic, I am disturbed and very disappointed in Pope Benedict's 30,000-word encyclical which says, "There is urgent need of a true world political authority.” I disagree and I cannot support his point of view.

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MarkGlen said:

	Attention all Catholics Revelation 18:4 "And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues."
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MarkGlen said:

	No surprise I have known for years that the world would soneday be ruled by a Pope. Revelation chapter 17 is clear about that. It even gives the very location of the headquarters of the last human world government.
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MarkGlen said:

	World headquarters I told my congressman that these proposed trade zones would one day demand a world headquarters. He disagreed.
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Roger said:

	a believer Hey all, get ready, (quote) "you can almost hear the Lords footsteps"
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Hannah said:

Physician, Heal Thyself I'll take the pope's call for wealth and property redistribution more seriously when he offers to redistribute the Vatican's huge assets to the poor of Rome. [following statistics from Google Answers: "Net worth of the Roman Catholic Church", as of 2000] - Vatican's assets = $5 billion. - That doesn't include Vatican City, which has a separate financial statement; - Property used for Church purposes which could never be sold (such as landmark buildings) is valued at ONE LIRE. - Revenues in 2000 = Vatican City, $180 million; The Holy See (from bishops' dioceses), $22 million; Net surplus annually = ranges anywhere from $1 to $22 million. [source: Interview in Money Week with Cardinal Edmund C. Szoka, the Vatican's "finance minister"]

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Warren the Catholic said:

Very "Creative" Biblical intepretation! Quote of MarkGlen said: "No surprise "I have known for years that the world would someday be ruled by a Pope. Revelation chapter 17 is clear about that. It even gives the very location of the headquarters of the last human world government." I find it amusing that many who cannot find a very obvious and unmistakable reference to the creation of the papacy (e.g., "Thou art Peter and upon this Rock I will build my Church" and "I give thee the keys to the kingdom of heaven...")in Matthew 16 are able to find it in Revelations 17! However, you will find symbolic reference to the Catholic Church (New Jerusalem) in Revelations 21: "And I John saw the holy city, the new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband."

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MarkGlen said:

	Dream on The holy city coming down from heaven is not the catholic church, Mystery Babylon sits on "seven hills", Rome. The catholic church is an apostate religion. It is also into world banking in a big way. Repent, and come out of the old harlet.
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Warren the Catholic said:

More "creative" intepretation Quote: MarkGlen said: "Dream on The holy city coming down from heaven is not the catholic church, Mystery Babylon sits on "seven hills", Rome. The catholic church is an apostate religion. It is also into world banking in a big way. Repent, and come out of the old harlet." So Rome is the only city in the world that has seven hills I suppose? How do you know Revelations isn't referring to the Bank of America in San Francisco? Funny how the only Christian religions to exist for 1,500 years (Catholic and Eastern Orthodox) were wrong about how to interpret Scripture until the "geniuses" (Heretics, er, excuse me, "Reformers") of the 16th century came along! Who told you that you are qualified to interpret Scripture infallibly? Are you to Pope of the Church of MarkGlen?

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MarkGlen said:

	The church on "seven hills" I am a Christian and the Holy Spirit that has tsken up His abode in me helps me understand the Bible. He is never wrong. So listen to Him, that is if you are a born again person. Remember: The worlds largest apostate church sits on "seven hills." I hope you will heed my warning and come out of her.
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Lee Gonzales said:

	Anti-Catholicism "I am a Christian and the Holy Spirit that has {ts}ken up His abode in me helps me understand the Bible. He is never wrong." I agree Mark, that the "Holy spirit is never wrong." But Mark can be wrong.
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MarkGlen said:

	The Bible is right Lee, that's why I quoted Scripture and it's never wrong. An apostate religion sits on "seven hills" or seven mountains. Revelation 17:9 The NLT says "hills" and the KJV says "mountains". Also see vs. 5,7
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Teresa said:

	To Mark Glen: Jerusalem also has seven hills! Regarding the Holy Spirit, so many Protestants claim their interpretation of scripture is correct because of the Holy Spirit but if that's the case, why are there 40,000 different Protestant denominations with different interpretations? Which one is being led by the Holy Spirit?
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Teresa said:

To Mark Glen: FYI The last days is the time of the New Covenant! In many and various ways God spoke of old to our fathers by the prophets; but in these last days he has spoken to us by a Son, whom he appointed the heir of all things, through whom also he created the world. (Heb 1:1-2) The day of Pentecost For these men are not drunk, as you suppose, since it is only the third hour of the day; but this is what was spoken by the prophet Joel: ‘ And in the last days it shall be, God declares, that I will pour out my Spirit upon all flesh, and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams.’ (Act 2:15-17)

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Teresa said:

To Mark Glen: More FYI's What is “The Kingdom of Heaven”? “Repent, for the kingdom of heaven is at hand” (Mt 3:2; 4:17, 10:7) “The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand; repent and believe in the gospel” (Mk 1:15; Mt 10:7) “But if it is by the Spirit of God that I cast out demons, then the kingdom of God has come upon you” (Mt 12:2 “Truly I say to you, there are some standing here who will not taste death before they see the kingdom of God come with power” (Mk 9:1; Luke 9:27) “Therefore I tell you, the kingdom of God will be taken away from you and given to a nation producing the fruits of it” (Mt 21:43) “Some are incapable of marriage because they were born so; some, because they were made so by others; some, because they have renounced marriage for the sake of the kingdom of heaven. Whoever can accept this ought to accept it.” (Mt 19:12)

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MarkGlen said:

I am a Bapyist Teresa, the answer to your question is very simple. I am not a member of a Ptotestant church. Although I protest against the harlot church I am not a member of a Protestant church. I am a Baptist. The Baptist churches were never a part of the Catholic denomination. We were persecuted and even killed by the harlot church. You see the harlot church ruled the world at one time and they tried to make the Baptist convert to their church. We were burned at the stake, driven off steep cliffs to our death by order of the harlot church. If you havn't already read "Foxes Book Of Martyrs" edited by Marie Gentert King and also read "A History of the Baptist" by John T. Christian and "The Trail of Blood". I forget who the author is. I gave the book to my Grand Daughter's husband some years back. But it should be easy to find on the internet. Although we have not always gone by the name Baptist, the doctrines were the same as today. Of course some Baptists have gone the way of the world just like the harlot denominational church has.

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MarkGlen said:

	My Doctrinal Statement Teresa, the following web page contains my docternal statement. It is sort of a revised version of the docternal statement of the American Baptist Association. Not to be confused with the American Baptist Convention. http://mark2170.googlepages.co...lstatement
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Lee Gonzales said:

Maybe it's the Hollywood Hills Mark , one thing is certain, the Pope is wrong in giving any sort of credit to the United Nations. The UN is anti-family and anti-Christian. We can agree on that can't we? He is wrong in giving any credibility to a managed economy instead of to the free market economy is he not? He is fallible in that respect and as the author of The New American article above says the encyclical was issued by the Vatican is not binding on the church faithful. He's a terrible economist and has trouble seeing the UN as an evil organization. He has lots of faults and we need to have the cardinals elect better popes. The kind of Popes that were anti-communist and pro-private property. we've had them before and no reason why we can't again. Revelations is not chronoligically set up to read like a history book. It is allegorical, poetic and historical and like a dream are visions of things that have already happended and are going to happen. There is a harlot but is the harlet in any one particular location and why can't the abominations of this harlot be the abominations spewed out by the studios near the Hollywood hills?

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MarkGlen said:

	The Bible is pertinent for today. Lee. I appreciate your opinion.
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Teresa said:

To Mark Glen The Vatican is built not on seven hills but on one hill, the seven hills of ancient Rome are on the other side of the Tiber. Vatican City is it's own country and not part of Rome. There are several areas of the Bible where the word "mountain" is used to symbolize a kingdon. See Daniel 2:35, Psalm 68:15, Obadiah 8-21, and Amos 4:1 and 6:1. I've always known how anti-Catholic you Baptists are but I did not realize to what extent up until now. WOW!!! Maybe you should read the book "Pope Fiction" by Patrick Madrid.

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Teresa said:

	To Lee Gonzales Lee, you did not read the encyclical. He actually says the United Nations basically needs an overhaul. Why is it a bad idea to have leaders of countries around the world get together to try to help mankind? Look, most of us already know how corrupt the United Nations is so don't you think the pope is correct?
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Teresa said:

	Correction - To Lee Gonzales I made an error in my last comment. The pope calls for "reform" of the United Nations in paragraph 67. I don't disagree with that!
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MarkGlen said:

	I had rather die for Jesus than live for the devil Teresa, please read the books I suggested. I don't mind you not liking us Baptist at least you catholics are not killing us now. That is I hope you are not. LOL
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Teresa said:

	To Mark Glen: If that's not revisionist history then I don't know what is! Can you please provide the name of the groups in history that are now called Baptists?
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MarkGlen said:

	\o/ Teresa, if you will promise not to shoot me I'll try.
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MarkGlen said:

	The Church that Jesus built Teresa, here is the evidence you requested. It is free and online: http://gracebaptistchurch1.homestead.com/files/The_Church_That_Jesus_Built.html
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MarkGlen said:

	Thanks for your attention Teresa, here is evidence with regards to the "7 mountains" or hills. It is just one page so you should be able to read it in a few minutes. You may have to copy and paste this web address and the previous one in my last post. Please forgive my joshing in previous postings: http://www.kjv1611revealed.com/Slide07.html
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Lee Gonzales said:

"reforming the UN" Teresa, "Reform" of the United Nations? Only if the devil be reformed! There's this notion that the UN stands for world peace. But if world peace was the goal then why does the UN need a world army? Jack McManus often points out the oxymoron of a "UN 'peace force.'" Force and peace are opposites. The Council of Foreign Relations was behind the push to get the US senate to approve the US joining the UNO after WWII. To understand the UN better and why it was formed one has to read about the CFR. The CFR in a nutshell wants a one world government and Jesus does not fit into their plans. Teresa, there's is everything to gain from a free people organizing themselves to communicate, talk and intereact with other people from other nations to work for world peace. I'm all for that. The UN is not about "talking" but in enslaving and killing their way to "peace." The documented history of the UN "peace force": Katanga in the 1960's. The UN "peace force" ousts a Christian leader from power and forces the "breakaway " province of Katanga back into the communist controlled Congo. Rwanda 1990's: A holocaust occurred there and the UN's disarmament's policies proved that once you disarm people wholesale slaughter follows. You can read the accounts on chapter 5 "Global gun Grab" :http://www.shopjbs.org/index.php/books/global-gun-grab.html The UN officer in charge of UNAMIR had every reason to believe informants within the Hutu government that wholesale slaughter of the Tusis was the government's plan. The UN officer who had to try to deal with following this UN directive wound up curled up like an insane man in Hull,Quebec,Canada tortured by visions of the human carnage that he had to witness; helpless to stop it because of the UN's anti-gun and anti-self defense policies! The remaining members of the 800,000 plus victims of that brutal UN created holocaust have a pretty good view of what UN "reform" means.

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Edward Williams said:

	... This is wonderful, differing Christian sects at each other's throats. Wonderful!
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Prod said:

	... "Bapyist." That's rich!
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brother Michael said:

Pope wants world govt - surprise - surprise Of course a World Political Authority needs a World Religious Authority; does it not? And who is not better fitted for this role than papa Pope? A seat he has been seeking to regain since it was lost days gone by and of course is coveting once again. And this is the heart of Romanism; power, complete and total power over the people both temporal and spiritual. For we all know, or so we are told, that there is no salvation without papa Pope and mother Rome. Because in Rome Jesus Christ and simple childlike faith in him is never enough. You must add the sacraments, candles, incense, crossings, kneelings, "holy" water, lent, advent, "holy" days & liturgical calendar, priests, nuns, prayers to the dead, masses, indulgences, purgatory, et al. I know as I was trapped in that system and even though I did all the "system" tells you to do I was dead in sins and trespasses as were all my peers and family. To all still in Rome, you do well to heed Rev 18:4 and become as a child and put your faith in Jesus Christ and not mamma Rome for she'll lead you to the lake of fire which is her final destination. Also, listen to William Mencarow on Sermon Audio for sound messages on prophecy and Rome.

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Lee Gonzales said:

	Not at each other's throats at all It's a discussion not a knife fight, Mr Williams. Be
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Edward Williams said:

	... Lee Gonzales; I suppose you'd know.
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Lee Gonzales said:

	Do you know? Snippy comments don't count as commentary,, Mr..Williams. I would imagine that your interest in discussions on escatology and Catholic theology are beyond your element.
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Edward Williams said:

	... Lee Gonzales: Snippy comments aren't commentary? So a comment, if it's snippy, isn't a comment...right? What's with the little happy faces? Are they comments? I guess they are if you're a fourteen year old girl. Please don't get into your imagination. We don't want to involve law enforcement.
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responsible commentary Edward... you aren't 14 year old child. The issue was the release of an official Vatican paper and signed by the pontiff in which he speaks about the economies of the world in turmoil and suggests that the nations move toward a "one world authority." I happen to disagree with him promoting such an "authoority" and giving the United Nations more positive PR. But the dialogue (with or without the emoticons) have focused outside of the thrust of Thomas Eddlem's column and wondered out into the realm of the "anti-Christ." You took delight in seeing "Christian sects", as you put it "at each other's throats." You didn't say whether or not you agree with the Pope. I realize that Christian "sects" bother you. Does Christianity as a whole bother you as well? { A hmm emoticon at this juncture to serve for added effect} You haven't contributed anything to the dialogue except to get a person to swat at you like a pesky knat. If you don't want to be treated like a 14 year old, perhaps it would serve your ego well to contribute something of substance.

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Teresa said:

	To Lee Gonzales I completely agree with you. I still believe the U.N. needs to be reformed to make human dignity and the right to life their main focus. I also believe as you do that they should not have a military.
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Teresa said:

To Mark Glen Your responses: "At least you catholics are not killing us now, that is I hope you are not"? "...if you will promise not to shoot me". I don't know Mark, but with those comments you seem like either a mentally challenged individual and/or a very hateful and dishonest person who calls himself a Christian. And what about the commandement "thou shalt not bear false witness"? If you were honest regarding Christianity you would research the writings of early Church Fathers, which are universally accepted as authentic. There are several writings of the first three centuries of Christians united in their beliefs. Maybe you can find out exactly what those Christians believed.

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Teresa said:

To Edward Williams I agree, Christian sects should not be at each others throats. It's so pathetic. The guy doesn't recognize who his enemies are and chooses to dwell on some shady, very questionable, past. More energy should be focused on arguments with secular humanists and militant atheists. I don't make it a habit to argue with another "Christian" because I know who my real enemies are but when someone attacks you or your sect and makes weird accusations and false claims I think you might want to say something to them. By the way, I wasn't the one making the mean spirited, nasty little comments.

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Teresa said:

To Brother Michael It's ironic how you quote revelation after you slam the use of incense and kneeling in worship. In Rev 8 notice the angel using incense in the heavenly worship that John describes in Revelation. If you actually study Revelation, you will see just how liturgical worship is in heaven. Regarding kneeling, notice how they worship in Rev1:17, Rev 4:10, and Rev 514. Apparently, you think you are better then John and the angels that you don't have to get down on your knees to worship God. Regarding the sacraments, it's pretty obvious that they are totally rooted in the Gospels. Maybe you may want to read them again in a child-like manner (with an open heart) since you claim to have a child-like faith.

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MarkGlen said:

	Repent Teresa, I ask "Please forgive my joshing in previous postings." What does the Bible say if someone ask you to forgive them? You have chosen to hate me and not forgive me. Teresa, repent. You criticized my opinions but you do not criticize yourself when you are doing wrong. Why do you do that?
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MarkGlen said:

	Incense and World Banking Where in the Bible does it command us to use incense in the churches here on earth? What churches did it before the Catholic Church? And, where in the Bible does it command a church to go into world banking? Is it okay to invest in the liquor industery?
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To Mark Glen Where did you get this idea that I hate you? Do you need medication for that paranoia? I looked up your kjv website and wow, boy do you have an imagination. By the way, they said the "woman" is on seven hills. Like I said before, the Vatican is on its own hill (one hill) and the seven hills of ancient Rome are on the other side of the Tiber. I'm sorry but that's just a fact! What is it exactly that you want me to repent of? I read all my comments and quite frankly, I don't see anything nasty about them as opposed to the ones you directed to me. Do I have to remind you again?

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Teresa said:

Mark You are just totally dishonest. No one has a command to use incense in worship. I was just pointing out to Michael the verse in Revelation that shows the angels using it in the heavenly worship. John reveals the heavenly worship in reveation for a reason. Maybe we can use it as an example of how to worship here. It's just common sense. By the way, the insane website you recommended to me is flat out dishonest in many areas that would take me forever to explain here.

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MarkGlen said:

	... Where did the Pope get that tall hat he wears? Should every Christian wear one? Are there symbols in the book of Revelation that have hidden meanings? What was the meaning of the veil that Moses wore at Mt. Sinai when he talked to the congregation of Israel?
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Teresa said:

	Mark Now you think something is wrong with liquor? Please! Are you for real?
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Edward Williams said:

... realtorgal, Gee...It's so nice that you would take the time to offer your...Oh, so erudite thoughts; All of them, so profound and wonderful in reply to my "pesky" and yes..."snippy" remarks. (By the way, is "emoticon" the word of the day? Boy, it had me stumped.) Christians just love to get picked on. I'm just helping out. You should thank me. I respect you guys. As far as the Pope goes, the only thing he's said that I agree with so far, is that his priests shouldn't touch little boys. (Hope they listen. But, you know about that past behavior being the best predictor of future behavior thing.) I don't know if I buy that "No, I was not a Nazi," stuff from him at all. Saw his picture in that uniform. Let's talk again. This was fun...Maybe you can show me a house?

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MarkGlen said:

	The Temple There is a temple mentioned several times in the Book of Revelation. Should we worship in a temple?
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	Teresa Why do u not accept apologies? And are you a alcoholic? Was it right for the Catolic Church to persecute Baptist?
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MarkGlen said:

	You are a hate filled person Teresa, since you will not accept apologies and you do not seem to think it is wrong to kill Christians would you kill Baptists if the Pope gave the order, or would you need an order? You come accross as a killer.
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Andy said:

The Name Christian You can never do evil so that good may come of it. You can never consent to sin, even if direct to do so by someone with higher authority. ------------------- - Those who go off to heretics, and all who leave the Church for heresy, abandon the name of Christ. Those who call these men "Christians" are in grievous error, since they neither understand Scripture at all nor the faith which it contains. - He who falls away from the doctrine and faith of the Catholic Church would not be, nor would even be called, a Christian. - Heretics worship a God who is a liar, and a Christ who is a liar. -- St. Athanasius, 373AD - This is the Holy Church, the One Church, the True Church, the Catholic Church, fighting against all heresies! He will not have God for his Father who refuses the Church for his Mother. No one can find salvation except in the Catholic Church. Outside the Church, you can find everything except salvation. You can have dignities, you can have Sacraments, you can sing "Alleluia," answer "Amen," have the Gospels, have faith and preach it, too. But never can you find salvation except in the Catholic Church - Whoever is separated from this Catholic Church, no matter how much he believes he is living praiseworthily, will not have life, but the anger of God rests upon him. The reason is this offense alone: that he is sundered from the unity of Christ. --St. Augustine, 420AD - No one is our brother unless he has the same Father we have. -- St. Jerome - Because there is no Holy Spirit outside the Church, it is impossible for there to be any sound faith not only among heretics but even among those who are established in schism. - How can "two or three gather in Christ's name" if they have obviously cut themselves off from Christ and His Gospel? Do they think Christ is with them in their gatherings when those gatherings are outside the Church of Christ? -- St. Cyprian, 258AD

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The Name Christian - Therefore, heretics are not to be admitted to any discussion whatsoever concerning Sacred Scripture. Our faith owes obedience to the Apostle when he forbids us to deal with a heretic "after one warning" (Titus 3:10), not after a disputation with him. Heretics rely on what they have falsely composed from some ambiguity of their own. You will gain nothing but frustration from their blasphemy! The only question to be discussed and the first one to be proposed is: to whom does the true faith belong? For, wherever the true Christian faith can be shown, there will be the true Scriptures, the true interpretations of the Scriptures, and all the true Christian traditions. - Heretics do not have the same God, the same Christ, as do Catholics. -- Tertullian, 220AD - Where Peter is, there is the Church. -- St. Ambrose, 397AD

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MarkGlen said:

Light for the wise Revelation 17:5-9 5 And upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH. 6 And I saw the woman drunken with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus: and when I saw her, I wondered with great admiration. 7 And the angel said unto me, Wherefore didst thou marvel? I will tell thee the mystery of the woman, and of the beast that carrieth her, which hath the seven heads and ten horns. 8 The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is. 9 And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth.

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MarkGlen said:

More light for the wise Daniel 9:24-27 (New Living Translation) 24 “A period of seventy sets of seven[a] has been decreed for your people and your holy city to finish their rebellion, to put an end to their sin, to atone for their guilt, to bring in everlasting righteousness, to confirm the prophetic vision, and to anoint the Most Holy Place. 25 Now listen and understand! Seven sets of seven plus sixty-two sets of seven[c] will pass from the time the command is given to rebuild Jerusalem until a ruler—the Anointed One[d]—comes. Jerusalem will be rebuilt with streets and strong defenses,[e] despite the perilous times. 26 “After this period of sixty-two sets of seven,[f] the Anointed One will be killed, appearing to have accomplished nothing, and a ruler will arise whose armies will destroy the city and the Temple. The end will come with a flood, and war and its miseries are decreed from that time to the very end. 27 The ruler will make a treaty with the people for a period of one set of seven,[g] but after half this time, he will put an end to the sacrifices and offerings. And as a climax to all his terrible deeds,[h] he will set up a sacrilegious object that causes desecration, until the fate decreed for this defiler is finally poured out on him.”

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MarkGlen said:

	Revelation 17 I do not agree with everything some people say but the following webpage understands Revelation 17: http://www.chick.com/information/religions/catholicism/sevenhills.asp
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MarkGlen said:

	Come out from among them The Catholic Church is an apostate church. Flee from her. The Pope wants the Catholic Church to rule the world again, because he thinks he has a divine right to lord it over us. He is a brainwashed cultist like the rest of those Catholics.
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	... Cincinnati ohio is also on seven you dimwits.
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Susan Bush said:

The papacy hijacked Christ promised that "the gates of hell would not prevail" against His Church which would be ruled by the successors to St. Peter, the first pope. However, he did not promise that the chair of St. Peter would always have an occupant. There have been times in the history of the Papacy when false popes have claimed the office (look up the Avignon Schism) and times of interregnum between the election of true popes. As a life-long Catholic, it took me about 25 years to wrap my head around the possibility of an interregnum as long as this one. I finally came to understand that nothing else explains encyclicals like this from pretenders to the throne of St. Peter. Nothing else explains Popes who consistently upheld Church doctrine and social teaching from 33 AD until 1960 (Vatican II)when new doctrines and teachings began to emanate from Rome. Christ is allowing this great apostasy as a chastisement. There are many small groups of Catholics around the world who cling to authentic Church teaching. A heretic cannot be a Catholic, and he, therefore, certainly cannot be Pope. I think of the last five pretenders to the throne as hijackers. If one of these pretenders who does not uphold the teachings of Christ became the right hand man of the anti-christ, the world would look at the Vatican II Church in Rome and say, "look the Catholic Church has become the harlot of Revelation." They would be wrong. The Catholic Church is not presently in Rome it is in many small catacombs throughout the world. I have not explained this very well. If you want to know more, seek out traditional Catholics in your area, or you could go to traditio.com. God bless you all

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To: Mark Glen Mark, I really think you need medication for your mental illness. I'm sorry but I mean that in a caring and a sincere way. I don't know any other way to say it but I hope you don't get offended by that but I am just trying be honest. Please don't take offense but your irrational imagination and illusions are very transparent. I do not say this in a mean-spirited fashion, like the cruel heart of Mr. Edward Williams, but you really need help quickly. I will pray for you.

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Teresa said:

To Mark: One more thing With all the time and energy you spend bashing catholics, you could have used it to study scripture and worship God. In particular, Sunday should be used as a day of worship, instead of sitting in pew listening to a pastor bash other religions. You should also pay more attention to the thorn in your own eye. Ignorance of Scripture is ignorance of Christ. If you are interested in answers to the false accusations made by your recommended websites you can go to www.catholic.com . They are very kind hearted people. They aren't hate mongers like Jack Chick. Peace be with you!

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MarkGlen said:

	Catholics should become aware of their condition Anyone that reads the comments these catholics have made in this room can readily see they are brainwashed cultists and we can see by their condition how they could persecute christians and it not bother them.
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Teresa said:

Dear Susan Bush You do have an interesting theory that I once pondered in my mind but after reading the writings of the popes, including the current one, I very much doubt your theory. The current encyclical is a long one to read but this article is only looking into tiny sections that can actually be interpreted in more than one way. I read some beautiful parts of it. Even though I appreciate this article by Mr. Eddlem, I think maybe people should actually read the encyclical and judge for themselves rather than rush to a conclusion. I think there will be more clarification in the future. I don't see anything wrong with people choosing their taxation in the form of local government charity. The key word being "local". I know he claims that special interests would be formed but that is also a problem affecting businesses, both small and large ones. I also question that subsidiarity would be wiped out with some of the pope's proposed policies regarding charity. I could be wrong!

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Lee Gonzales said:

MarkGlen, The New World Order is being built in Washington Not in Rome The Founding Fathers did not establish a state church for sound reason - too many theological disagreements and one denomination did not want to be dominated by another. ACLU's lawyers have secularized the schools under the "separation of church" argument. Do we blame the Pope for what the ACLU and what Madelyn O'Hare did to our country? Rowan Gaiter of the Ford Foundation told Norman Dodd (Dodd, was chief researcher for the "Reese Committee" of Congress) that the The Tax Exempt Foundations were using their grant power to "so alter life in the United states so that it can be comfortably merged with the Soviet Union." The Ford Foundation President also told Dodd that Ford and the other foundations were "operating on directives" from the White House. MarkGlen, under these "directives" to build a "One world government, who was the most dangerous, the Pope or the US President? The JBS caused them to "alter" their plans. Thank God for JBS! #1 Did the Pope kick God out of our public schools or did the ACLU? #2 Was it the Pope who funded the UN building and donated the plot in New York city or Nelson Rockefeller? #3 Did the Pope vote for funding the UN, The WTO, the World Bank, the International Monetary Fund, et al, or was it Protestant and Catholic Republicans and Democrats? #4 Were these Protestants, Catholics, Baptists, Jews and non-religious folks brainwashed by the Pope or the US media? The fact remains that the New World Order, as Pat Buchanan, (another Catholic!), says is being built in Washington, D.C.! . You can get on your phone and call your Reps anfd tell them to defund the NWO. If enough of us educate our friends,(protestant, Catholic, Jews, Baptists,etc), we can straighten out our country since those newly awakened folks will join you and me to elect constitutionalits to Congress. Congress is the Key! The theology will continue to provide some interesting discussions but we all have to work together to restore our Constitution.

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MarkGlen said:

... Lee only the Pope will head a world government and that will be in the future. There will be no more evil world governments other than the one the Pope will be the head of. And the reason I warn the Catholics to come out of the oid harlot church is because in Revelation chpt. 18 God commands the saved to come out of her. Now if the Catholics want to help us fight Communism/atheism then they are welcome to do so. Pat Buchanan is a Jew hater. I steer clear of him. The JBS has done a good job fighting communism or the world conspiracy. Lee, we have more than one enemy, but none of those enemies will rule the world other than the Pope and his religion, the Catholic Church. It has ruled the world before and it will do it again as I have said twice before in this comment.

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	#4 Lee' I will answer #4: Most Baptist are not brainwashed. The Catholics are brainwashed and this condition is seen in their belief in denominationalism. They believe to be in the Harlot Church, the Catholic Church, is to be saved. The church doesn't save, Jesus saves. He paid the price on the cross for our sins. And when we come to the Father through Jesus He saves us.
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	How to be saved Lee, the following website will tell you how to be saved: http://mark2170.googlepages.com/
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	Peter had a wife Does the Pope have a mother-in-law? The Apostle Peter had one.
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	... MarkGlen you are a madman. Pack in your unchristian hatred of Catholics. You are a bigot, plain and simple.
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Lee Gonzales said:

MarkGlen, what about # 1, 2,& 3? Plus let me repeat this one: The Ford Foundation President also told Dodd that Ford and the other foundations were "operating on directives" from the White House. In this scenario the NWO is being built by the president according to Rowan Gaither who told this to an official investigator of a committee of Congress. Gaither didn't say the Pope was behind Ford Foundation money going to groups in the US that would remold Americans' attitudes. If you are looking for the temples of iniquity look at the Foundations. Follow the money trail. It's interesting that Ford grants have gone to "La Raza" organization. Hasn't Sotomayor maintained a close relationship with this radical organization that seeks to use those grant dollars they receive from Ford to change attitudes about breaking down our sovereignty? MarkGlen, under these "directives" to build a "One world government, who was the most dangerous, the Pope or the US President? Doesn't the Council on Foreign Relations figure into this One World government? After all Roosevelt's closest advisors were CFR men. Were these men building the New Deal on "directives from the White House" or weren't they? I don't have the breakdown of the denominations that Rossevelt's cabinet members belonged to but one man in particular, Henry Wallace had toyed with Buddism. Those are Buddist influences not Catholic influences, MarkGlen.

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	Pat Buchanan You accuse Pat Buchanan of being a "jew hater." Where did you get that one from, the CFR controlled press?
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MarkGlen said:

	Ignorance Lee, I cannot argue with ignorance. You need to study more.
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	There is a difference MasterShogu, I do not hate Catholics. I hate Catholic doctrine.
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	Pat Buchanan, a Jew hater Lee, why would I get that from the CFR?
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Four Stages Of Communism I think to defeat Moslem terrorism we must neutralize the leftist establishment. The leftists or Communist are using Moslem terrorists to advance the cause of Communism. They will use anything to fight God's established order. Permit me to share the following with you. Four Stages of Communism, or four Steps to World-wide Equality, Slavery and Starvation: First stage: when communism is trying to gain control of a nation. Deterioration is noticed in arts and entertainment, political, educational and religious thought of a nation. Racial strife, a breakdown of the family unit, lawlessness and political correctness, and judges writing new laws: in brief, apostasy. (Sounds familiar, doesn't it?) Second stage: when communism has gained control of a nation. This stage is exemplified through the years from Vladimer Ilyich Lenin to Mikhail Gorbachev. During this phase big land holders and the middle class are brought to financial ruin by a planned demolishing of the economy or financial infrastructure. Third stage: where nations of the old Soviet Union are now. The Soviet Union that was is now known as the Commonwealth of Independent States. Communist land barons control the military and the government and the masses are too poor to overthrow them. (Communism is basically a land grab.) The large circle of bureaucrats or pampered fat cats of the second stage, have lost their status in government. They will not be allowed to regain their former status, although they will try. Fourth stage: the fourth stage is when all nations are members of a "Commonwealth of States." From this vantage point the world would be governed from Moscow, or wherever, through subservient representatives by a United Nations. Not a pretty picture, is it? CLOSING THOUGHT: Great wrongs are righted by the few, because the majority finds something else to do.

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The Fed The large corporation bail out and the so-called Federal Reserve banking system (FED) Thomas Jefferson said: “If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation and then by deflation, the banks and the corporations that will grow up around them will deprive the people of all property until their children wake up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered.” (From Famous Quotations on “Money”) The FED is federal in name only

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You reject the docitrine of your ancestors Quote: from MarkGlen Comment: MasterShogu, I do not hate Catholics. I hate Catholic doctrine Then you must hate the doctrine of your ancestors, Mark, because from the time Jesus established a Church and put Peter in charge until the time of Luther and Calvin (that's approximately 1,500 years) Catholic doctrine was the ONLY Christian doctrine there was. It was, literally, the only show in town. That's not doctrine, that's a historical fact. Any other doctrine is "Johnny come lately" and a novelty. That's like saying that, as an American, you like MTV but hate the beliefs of the Pilgrims!

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Australian Gun Law Here's a thought to warm some of your hearts... From: Ed Chenel , A police officer in Australia Hi Yanks, I thought you all would like to see the real figures from Down Under. It has now been 12 months since gun owners in Australia were forced by a new law to surrender 640,381 personal firearms to be destroyed by our own government, a program costing Australia taxpayers more than $500 million dollars. The first year results are now in: Australia-wide, homicides are up 6.2 percent, Australia-wide, assaults are up 9.6 percent; Australia-wide, armed robberies are up 44 percent (yes, 44 percent)! In the state of Victoria alone, homicides with firearms are now up 300 percent. (Note that while the law-abiding citizens turned them in, the criminals did not and criminals still possess their guns!) While figures over the previous 25 years showed a steady decrease in armed robbery with firearms, this has changed drastically upward in the past 12 months, since the criminals now are guaranteed that their prey is unarmed. There has also been a dramatic increase in break-ins and assaults of the elderly, while the resident is at home. Australian politicians are at a loss to explain how public safety has decreased, after such monumental effort and expense was expended in 'successfully ridding Australian society of guns.' You won't see this on the American evening news or hear your governor or members of the State Assembly disseminating this information. The Australian experience speaks for itself. Guns in the hands of honest citizens save lives and property and, yes, gun-control laws affect only the law-abiding citizens. Take note Americans, before it's too late! Received by e-mail

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Bush Trying to Merge Western Hemisphere Re: The new immigration bill. We don’t need a new immigration bill as touted by President Bush. We need a federal government that will make a real attempt to secure our national borders and drive the illegals out of our land. I think Mr. Bush wants to merge the western hemisphere into a European Union-type government and, therefore, he does not want to secure our borders. He wants the United States of America to be subordinate to a regional government with corridors through our land. Remember, he called the civilians who are helping the Border Patrol “vigilantes”. In short, he has yanked the rug from under the Republican Party. Via A-J, 5-29-2007

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Crude Oil What’s really driving up high price of crude oil? It’s been said oil speculators are driving up the cost of crude oil (which is a silly argument but some arguers are silly). When there is a shortage of oil, or they think there will be a shortage, speculators buy crude oil in hopes of selling it at a higher price. This is based on supply and demand. Surely it will go higher because there is a shortage, they reason, and OPEC can fix that. Speculators speculate because they are convinced they can sell at a higher price. The bottom line is: There is either a shortage of crude oil or speculators are convinced there will be. Now, why don’t we pump more oil so speculators will know for sure there won’t be a shortage? Then they won’t be tempted to bid so high and drive up the price? If anyone would like to hear a good sermon on the abundance of Alaskan crude oil, go to the following Web page: http://video.google.com/videop...7167011147 Alaska is loaded with oil.

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MarkGlen said:

	Pat Buchanan Pat Buchanan on Israel: http://www.red-alerts.com/un-a...g-on-gaza/ Ask the John Birch Society if they agree with and work with Pat Buchanan.
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	The Apostle Peter Warren the Catholic, show in the Bible where it says the Apostle Peter was the Apostle to the gentiles.
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	Catholic persecuting people Read this and wise up: http://www.baptistpillar.com/bd0410.htm
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Lee Gonzales said:

I need to study more? We all need to study more What does that have to do with you being unable to answer a few simple questions that a 5th grader could answer, namely: #1 Did the Pope kick God out of our public schools or did the ACLU? #2 Was it the Pope who funded the UN building and donated the plot in New York city or Nelson Rockefeller? #3 Did the Pope vote for funding the UN, The WTO, the World Bank, the International Monetary Fund, et al, or was it Republicans and Democrats in Congress? #4 Were Americans of all faiths and denominations and non-relgious folks brainwashed by the Pope or the US media in voting for and supporting socialist candidates and programs? (I'll add that people from all denominations have voted for George Bush senior who called for a New World Order,and for his son George "W" (Dubya) Bush, who expanded his father's war in the middle east in order to further consolidate federal power) Pat Buchanan, said in his presidential campaign, repeated over and over his slogan about bringing down the New World Order. He is Catholic and George H.W. Bush was not. Yet Bush senior gave a speech at the UN about giving this "New World Order" a chance at succeeding by going to war against Iraq. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rc7i0wCFf8g Did you miss that bit of history? You don't site your sources. Where do you have evidence that Mr. Buchanan is, as you put it, a "Jew hater?"

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MarkGlen said:

	Catholic doctrine Catholic dictrine is not the original doctrine of the Bible. It is a product of heretics: http://books.google.com/books?...t&resnum=3
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MarkGlen said:

	Question already answered Lee, you need to read what I have already writen. That will answer you questions. Also, ask the John Birch Society if they agree with and work with Pat Buchanan.
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MarkGlen said:

	Lee is asleep Lee said: "You don't site your sources." Lee, yes I did site my sources. You are not paying attention. Wake up Lee!
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MarkGlen said:

	Ask the JBS One more time: Ask the JBS if they work with and agree with Pat Buchanan.
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MarkGlen said:

	Naive Catholics You naive Catholics are in over your heads. Wake up and pay attention.
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MarkGlen said:

	Buchanan, the Jew Hater Lee said: "Pat Buchanan, said in his presidential campaign, repeated over and over his slogan about bringing down the New World Order." All that means is that Buchanan is not wrong on everything. But he is a Jew hater just like I said before. Ask the JBS if they knowingly work with Jew haters.
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MarkGlen said:

	Brake time I need to do an errand. Y'all study what I have posted and the Lord willing I'll get back with you a little later.
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Lee Gonzales said:

The theology on marriage MarkGlen says sarcastically :"Peter had a wife Does the Pope have a mother-in-law? The Apostle Peter had one." No MarkGlen,the Pope has not married. This topic has wavered from the Pope's endorsement of a "one world political authority" to Peters' mother-in-law. I think we all get it MarkGlen, you have a problem with the theology. Thanks for saying you don't hate Catholics. There was a saying among Christians that the sin is hated but that the sinners are loved. I agree with that. But the Theology is not the sin. The "sin" is one of the "shall nots" in the Ten Commandments. God gave to Moses the rules. He lays it out plain and simple for us. The big "going to hell unless you repent of them" type of mortal sins. The others like vanity, jealousy, gluttony, listening to gossip, etc need to be kept in check. The opposite of these are love, charity, humility, patience, honor,and obedience and other virtues that all Christians have been taught by their mothers and fathers to practice. In questions of theology reagarding marriage of priests or celebacy. Jesus told Peter:{Matt. cpt.16:, versus begins at 17}"Blessed are you, Simon son of Jonah. For flesh and blood has not revealed this to you, but my Father in heaven. And I tell you, yor are Peter,and on this rock I will build my church,and the gates of hell will not prevail against it. I will give you the keys to the Kingdom of heaven,and whatever you bind on earth will be bound in Heaven,and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in Heaven." The theology is that Peter (the rock) was the first bishop, the first pope. It would stand to reason that he would have successors. If you don't accept that theology then fine I won't hold it against you and tell you that you are not saved and send you a bunch of links that tell you how to save yourself.I accept that you don't agree with it and move on.

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Lee Gonzales said:

	MarkGlen, Answer one question with a yes or no===please Was it the Pope (Vatican) who funded the UN building and donated the plot in New York city or Nelson Rockefeller?
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Warren the Catholic said:

You want a Bible quote? Quote: "Warren the Catholic, show in the Bible where it says the Apostle Peter was the Apostle to the gentiles." Matthew 28:16-19 (Douay-Rheims Bible) 16 And the eleven [note: the eleven were all of the Apostles except for Judas, which would include Peter] disciples went into Galilee, unto the mountain where Jesus had appointed them. 17 And seeing him they adored: but some doubted. 18 And Jesus coming, spoke to them, saying: All power is given to me in heaven and in earth. 19 Going therefore, teach ye all nations; baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost. 20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and behold I am with you all days, even to the consummation of the world.

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Lee Gonzales said:

MarkGlen admits famous conservative commentator,Pat Buchanan is not wrong on everything! "All that means is that Buchanan is not wrong on everything." says Mr. MarkGlen. Wow, MarkGlen you are making progress. Is Pat Buchanan and you on agreement on securing our borders? Do you and Pat agree that we need to get out of NAFTA? Do you and Mr.Buchanan agree that Sunday is the Lord's day? Are you and Pat still 100% in agreement? Now you and I Mr. MarkGlen: Do you think that foreign aid is un-constitutional? Would you like to see all funding stopped to any and all middleast, African, South American, Asian nations oir any where that the CFR inspired welfare schemes designed to impoverish our nation? Would you like to see the US extract itself from the UN,the IMF, the World bank, NATO, And every other internationalist organization? If you think these are noble goals then let's all work toward achieving them and drop the anti-Catholicism.

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MarkGlen said:

	False doctrine Lee, I must not stop exposing false doctrine.
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MarkGlen said:

Apostles Peter and Payl Warren the Catholic, Paul said: “For I speak to you Gentiles, inasmuch as I am the apostle of the Gentiles, I magnify mine office” Romans 11:13 In Galatians 2:7 Paul said: "But contrariwise, when they saw that the gospel of the uncircumcision was committed unto me, as the gospel of the circumcision was unto Peter;" Therefore it is clear Peter is not the apostle to the gentile Romac church.

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MarkGlen said:

	Wake up Lee Lee said: " Mr. MarkGlen. Wow, MarkGlen you are making progress." Lee when did I say I was for the NWO or the CFR, etc.? Buchanan is a Jew hater. Ask the JBS if they work with him.
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MarkGlen said:

Global New Deal A major news source reported, 2/22/09, that P.M. Gordon Brown of the United Kingdom said that the world needs a “Global New Deal” to get the world out of the enonomic mess it is in. This reminds me of a letter our local paper printed for me back on Jan. 1, 1994. With some minor editing it is as follows: NAFTA And Beyond “An article in Foreign Affairs, a publication of the Council on Foreign Relations, Jan./Feb., 1994, titled “Time for a Global New Deal” by Jerry Collingsworth, F. William Goold and Pharis F. Harvey said: “In the future, achieving real economic growth in the U.S., will require policies to attain coordinated growth in the global economy.” NAFTA is a beginning. What we need, they think, as the next step into one worldom is a tax/spend/tax world bureaucratic authority. Their reasoning is that the class of workers to be created by NAFTA and also laborers of other Third World countries will not earn enough money to buy their share of all the TVs, VCRs, Hula Hoops and Pet Rocks that will be manufactured by Third World counties. Now, this threesome is convinced that global socialism, or “a Global New Deal” is the plan that will achieve “real economic growth in the U.S.” The global New Deal will do for the world what the New Deal has done for America. It will break the world. This “Global New Deal” will require world government.

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MarkGlen said:

	Some of you folks need help Lee, you and the other Catholics in this room need to join the John Birch Society (JBS) and get involved in one of their learning programs. The New Americam Magazine is a part of the JBS.
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Lee Gonzales said:

	MarkGlen, are you a dues-paying member at $89.00 yearly? MarkGlen Has the spirit of the Lord moved you to do more by joining one of the following:http://www.shopjbs.org/index.php/jbs-membership.html James Madison club: $30.00 monthly contribution George Washington Club : $50.00 monthly contribution Robert Welch Club: $100.00 Monthly contribution
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Lee Gonzales said:

A member? MarkGlen is confused. He says: "Lee when did I say I was for the NWO or the CFR, etc.?" I never said it. I pointed out that Pat Buchanan is opposed to many of the same things that you oppose. You won't admit that Pat has a record of speaking out on issues like amnesty and illegal immigration, unbalanced budgets and other issues that most conservatives would agree with. Pat Buchanan sent The JBS a congratulatory note on the 50th anniversary of The JBS. Pat wishes to keep a high profile in the MSM and that is his business. He had Larry McDonald on his Show some years ago and the Society got some good PR as a result of Pat inviting our chairman on his show. You keep calling Mr. Buchanan a hater but if you are a member of JBS,(which I doubt) they need to give you your dues money back and bid you adieu.

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gemma said:

we are in the end time.... to those who don't believe in God what the Pope did about calling for one world government was being prophesied in the bible. more things to come, not a surprised to those who believe in God, and to those who live with God because it is in the bible. not literally named but if you will understand the revelation you will understand. Jesus is coming soon, be prepared. no exact date, no exact year but HE is coming soon.

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Lee Gonzales said:

Revelations was not put in the Bible so that Christians would turn into Cultists but Activists It's unfortunate that false prophets began to preach and teach that all we Christians have to do is have "faith"and that all of our problems will be solved for us by God. We see this false philosophy on Christians' cars with bumper stickers that read "God is in control, don't worry;" we see this in the "Left Behind" novels and the "End times" prophesies by television preachers who fill the airwaves with this nonsense and un-Christian theology that sitting in pews or in front of a boob tube filling up with "faith" is all that is required. Just leave it all up to God they say. Oh, and "send money." The book of James says:" What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith,and have not works? Can faith if a brother or sister be naked, and destitute of daily food, and one of you say unto them, Depart in peace, be ye warmed and filled ; notwithstanding ye give them not those things that are needful for the body; what doth it profit? Even so faith, if it hath not works is dead, being alone." King James version, Chapter 2:verse14 What is greater than food? the word of God of course. Yes Jesus said that "man does not live by bread alone," but he didn't mean for Christians to set their butts down and not follow His other teachings and, indeed, commandments, ( if we are truly to be Christian soldiers), to be the "salt of the earth," and to "occupy" until He returns. You say that the time of His coming is "soon." What is "soon?" tomorrow, the next year, or ten thousand years from now? Have faith, (lot's of it!) but couple it with "works" and do something to save this nation from being destroyed. Don't allow freedom to die due to our inaction of just having faith but no works.

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Nancee said:

... AMEN to Lee Gonzales!! I'm so..... tired of the attitude of hyper-spirituality in Christianity where GOD is expected to wave HIS magic wand and fix everything while Christians sit back doing nothing but repeatedly claiming "we're in the end times so there's nothing we can do." That's not what my BIBLE says! GOD wants to work in and through HIS people. Those who Believe, have repented; owned their sinful human nature and accepted JESUS CHRIST as their atonement. We have been reconciled to GOD and are capable to be used to do the miraculous, if we choose to humble ourselves and submit. In the past He also used rocks, sticks and a donkey! I believe satan has lulled the Church to sleep with many lies. "The world is asleep in the dark and the Church is asleep in the light." I have some questions about the pope and Catholicism. If GOD says in HIS WORD that all humans have sinned and fall short of the glory of GOD; how is the pope infallible? If GOD'S WORD says that the only mediator between man and GOD is JESUS CHRIST; why do so many Catholics say and believe that they can't read GOD'S WORD on their own; that they need the pope or a priest to interpret to be able to understand? Why do many Catholics worship the pope and treat him like a god along with many other layers of a system of hierarchy (bishops,priests) when GOD has said HE hates idolatry (the worship of anything other than HIM)and clearly speaks against this practice repeatedly in HIS WORD?

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P said:

MarkGlen Everyone on this thread: "come inside, it's raining" Markglen: "it's not rain" Everyone on this thread: "you're wet! come inside!" Markglen: "I'm not wet" Everyone on this thread: "it's water, falling from the sky!" Markglen: "It's not rain" I give you guys credit for trying, but "some men you just cain't reach" and he's only spewing propaganda and what he's been told to spew. He's not thinking for himself. There's an obvious difference there. When someone can't see that rain is rain and wet is wet, it's time to ignore them methinks. God willing he will be 'saved' from himself.

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