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Conversational Atheist
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You are not alone -- statements of fact upset people, apparently So the signs say, “Are you good without God? Millions are.” How is it that 90 percent of Tampa Bay would disagree with that billboard? Because 90% believes in God? That's reading into things a bit far, isn't it? |
advertisinglies
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... Wait, how is a message telling people that if their good without god their not alone somehow anti-god? That's totally ridiculous. The only thing more ridiculous than that is saying that putting up a sign is a form of attack. Blog fail. |
Rob
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Christian vandals Isn't interesting how only the atheist bill boards have been vandalized and removed under threats of personal harm? Who do you think is vandalizing these boards and threatening the land owners. Why it's those wonderfully moral and self righteous Christians that can't stand anyone who believes in a different imaginary friend than them. Pot: "Hello, Kettle? You're black!" Keep your silly superstitions in the home and your tax exempt places of worship...where they belong. BTW, I sure you hope you take advantage of that tax exempt status while it lasts because that too is about to change. I wonder how you theists will feel when your place of worship starts charging you admission? |
Chad S Wilson
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Alleged? To Raven Clabough I would like to inquire as to how you give a factual review of Mr. Fred Edwards in saying “Despite these alleged encounters” When he refers to his interactions with other Americans, yet you make a statement later, “To the dismay of many travelers” when referencing the billboards as fact? How do you justify this action? Again when Mr. Keeper says “[But] we live in America. It’s their privilege to put up inaccurate information.” You again do not point out that this too is alleged. Neither he nor you provide any facts to back up this statement. When I read this article I felt as though you were being very dishonest with me and the readers. - Peace, Chad P.S. I will share this on my FaceBook page, but I will point out your discrepancies. |
Chad S Wilson
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Attack? A separate point… How do you classify this as an attack on Christianity when the billboard is aimed at an audience that is clearly not Christian? - Peace, Chad |
GregB
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It isn't jsut Christianity (but Christians read into it in a self centered maner) Hint: Its also an 'attack' against Allah, Brahma, Krishna, Odin, Xenu... |
Unikraken
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... I've never read anything from the New American before, but if the lack of quality and bias is the same for all of these articles I might get something more on the level watching a Glenn Beck show. You certainly haven't gained a reader out of me, this was pure biased trash. |
Unikraken
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... @Gil, it's funny that you remember those parts so well you mentioned, but failed to also mention what else was in the trash with that cracker: "By the way, I didn't want to single out just the cracker, so I nailed it to a few ripped-out pages from the Qur'an and The God Delusion. They are just paper. Nothing must be held sacred. Question everything. God is not great, Jesus is not your lord, you are not disciples of any charismatic prophet. You are all human beings who must make your way through your life by thinking and learning, and you have the job of advancing humanity's knowledge by winnowing out the errors of past generations and finding deeper understanding of reality." |
hidden101
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... "In contrast to its anti-religious sentiments, the atheist movement has ironically morphed into a religion of sorts. It has erected foundations, staged marches, and planned retreats — all in the name of … nothing." atheism is not a religion. it's not a movement. atheists merely feel the need to organize because one atheist alone would not even be a blip on the radar when religions do things that need to be criticized. atheists most certainly do not do anything in the name of "nothing". unicorns are nothing and you don't see atheists bothering to speak out against unicorns. no, what you fail to understand is that atheists are speaking out against RELIGION, not the gods themselves. it is because some groups withing organized religion want to block progress by demonizing science and they aim to do so with legislation. some groups want a christian theocracy in a place where the very first amendment in our constitution is the guarantor of separation of church and state to be fair to people of all walks of life and not favor only christians. so atheists organize. they do it to protect freedom. they do it to protect reason. |
DEKesler
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Apples and Oranges or Crackers and Billboards Gil considers atheists hypocritical for being put out by acts of vandalism and threats of violence. Gil wishes to compare these events to PZ Myers desecration of a Holy Eucharist. http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2008/07/the_great_desecration.php This is really a poor analogy. The attempt to compare the two as being on par is absurd. Here are a couple of reasons why it just does not work. First off, PZ Myers was freely given this cracker. The atheists whose signs were damaged did not relinquish control of the space that they were legally renting. Granted, PZ Myers did use the wafer in a manner for which it was not intended, but that is beside the point. It was his cracker to do with as he pleased. Secondly, it is a cracker. A whole box of Ritz crackers sell for about $2.99. Ritz crackers are far tastier than communion wafers. Advertising space, however, is far more expensive. Something that cost pennies can’t really be compared to something that cost hundreds of dollars. The point of the atheist billboards is to illustrate that there is no connection between morality and religion. To help illustrate this point, Christians break the law by committing acts of vandalism and making terroristic threats. |
Reginald Selkirk
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Biased article with loaded language "anti-God billboards" How are you interpreting the CoR billboards to be "anti-God"? "Evidently, the attack on Christians is not limited to the Tampa Bay area." What attack on Christians? None of the CoR billboards you quoted even mentioned Christianity. Someone has a victim complex. "Numerous godless billboards throughout the country have been defaced in retaliation." Retaliation? For what? A free expression of speech? That's just sad. |
Beau Gunderson
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Biased and misses the point. Mr. Clabough's bias and the bias of the New American is quite evident. Everything the atheists do and say is alleged, everything the Christians do and say is taken as fact. Atheism is certainly not a religion as it lacks dogma. Many of us are skeptics who base our worldview on the evidence and continually update that worldview as new evidence is found and new analysis is done. Your sneer of 'nothing' displays your lack of understanding of atheism. Many of us appreciate the truth and beauty in the world that can be seen in the light of an actual understanding of how the world works--there is much beauty in evolution and in the natural order of things. Dawkins' 'Unweaving the Rainbow' does an admirable job of showing that. What's truly sad is that the New American seems to profess support for constitution--the same constitution that grants us all the right to our own beliefs, however errant they are. I find it telling that you claim that this billboard is an attack when in reality it's nothing more than an attempt to remind current non-believers that they're not alone in those beliefs (and thus be a little happier). Nearly everyone reading this is an atheist with regard to Odin, Thor, Baal, etc. We just take it one god further. |
Beau Gunderson
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Wow. Did anyone else catch that the permalink for this story is '2941-heathens-retaliate-against-christian-billboards'? How do you really feel? |
Mark
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... The article claims "No group has ever made such an effort to articulate that which they don't believe." Really? Seems Christians make quite a bit of effort to oppose the teaching of evolution in schools, opposing the separation of church & state, gay marriage, abortion, etc. How is that not making an effort to articulate what they don't believe? |
Jimmy
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Gil is a copy/paster Gil posted his same crap on multiple blogs on the subject, yet he has avoided responding to any of the rebuttals presented to him. PZ was trying to take the pressure off of a college kid who received death threats over a stupid cracker. Christian compassion in full effect... |
Mikel
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Atheist retaliation? When I saw the title of the article, I thought that maybe atheists had vandalized Christian billboards. That's what has happened to atheist billboards in a handful of cities, after all. Latest in Sacramento, CA. For atheists like us to speak up is not retaliation. I also contest the idea that that these actions are in the name of "nothing." They are in the name of rationality and humanism, as opposed to supernaturalism. You're welcome to disagree, but I'd have to say your headline and article are misleading and full of vitrol. |
Gil
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It's all been a publicity stunt! Ha! It seems we're all being played for suckers! The people paying for these "Good Without God" billboards, the United Coalition of Reason, is doing ALL of this as a publicity stunt for a new book coming out. Visit the Coalition's page on the billboard campaign to see. http://unitedcor.org/good.htm |
Benjaphar
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Christians: Disagreeing with my beliefs is an attack on me! Seriously, get over yourself. Christians have been in the majority and in power for so long that they act like a spoiled only child who throws a tantrum as soon as another comes along and asks for a bit of attention. Christians are all for free speech as long as it's their viewpoint. Somebody else's free speech is now being called an attack if you happen to voice an opinion that doesn't align with their fairy tale worldview. |
Jimmy
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He did it again! Gil, type something original. Perhaps you can attempt to defend your lies. |
Dave
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yeah! There was no "retaliation". We atheists have the right to express our views and let other freethinking non-believers know that they aren't alone. We are bigger than you think, and we are growing as more people stop dogmatically doing the bible-thunk, bead-rattling chicken dance and open their minds to the wonder that is the natural world. It is so amazing; you just don't need magic to explain it. - and yes Virginia, you can be good without "god". |
Gaki
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Attack? Erecting the billboard didn't stop a single Christian in Tampa from attending their legally sanctioned place of worship. Erecting the billboard didn't stop a single Christian from privately engaging in acts according to their faith. Erecting the billboard didn't stop a single Christian from proselytizing their religion to others. Erecting the billboard didn't stop a single Christian from expressing their public dislike or disagreement with the the billboard. Erecting the billboard didn't stop a single Christian from using his own money to purchase space on the very same billboard and countering the Atheist billboard. Gil, you have a very strange notion of what constitutes an "attack" when your rights are 100% identical to what they were before that billboard was erected. It's not an attack until you actually see some of your rights impinged. Until that point, it's just an idea that you have significant issue with because you don't like that it says. Tough. Grow up you big baby. |
Gaki
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... @ thomaspaine "You all belong to Lucifer and will pay the price unless you come back to the true Lord." People like you are the best advertisement for atheism and agnosticism going. Keep up the good work and perhaps you'll drive a few more moderate, rational people out of the fold with your hocus-pocus. |
Gaki
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... @ Jello "Sure, millions are okay without God, but they don't have to go shunning him and telling people not to believe him." They don't "shun" him because they don't believe he exists. You can't shun something that isn't there. Secondly, why do you have this double standard for atheists? Religions the world over spend billions of dollars a year advertising for their faith and proselytizing. If it is pathetic for atheists to cobble together a few dollars to let other atheists know they aren't alone, then it must truly be pathetic for something like the Catholic church to spend a few hundred or thousand times that much to "win" believers to the cause via advertising, right? Shouldn't the message sell itself? |
Nevermark
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Christians in a bubble worried about a pin prick This billboard doesn't attack anyone's beliefs. It just reminds non-believers they are not alone. Terry, and the other threatened christians commenting here, get a clue. If you really believe in your religion and free speech then stop worrying about these signs. If you don't believe in free speech, or believe your religion is threatened by other points of view, well then continue freaking out. Christians who are not threatened or worried by free speech from other viewpoints, thank you. You prove that not all religious people are intolerant bigots. |
Raven42
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... There have been a few atheist billboards that I think are overly confrontational, but this is not one of those. It is utterly baffling to me that Christians who claim to possess the ultimate truth of the universe would find the mere existence of atheists so threatening, yet these distinctly non-threatening billboards, which essentially say, "Are you an atheist? If so, you're not alone," elicit reactions of derision, fear, and hate. Christians are to a large extent defined by people gathering together as Christians (i.e., churches), so why is it so abhorrent that atheists might also want to congregate with like-minded people? Kent, have you actually met any real, contemporary atheists in person? They are first and foremost normal human beings, and to the extent that they have some people you find unpleasant in their ranks, they have a long way to go before they can hope to match the most unpleasant from the ranks of the religious. There is no atheist equivalent of Fred Phelps, for example. You also appear to be making the mistake of assuming that atheism is a religion with a creed, when it is very clearly nothing more than a particular position on a particular religious issue. While there are trends towards atheists favoring liberalism and humanism, they are a more diverse group of people than you seem willing to admit. However, when atheists do put together tracts, they tend to deal with things like the values of reason and compassion. |
Enlightenment
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God is every bit as real as Santa Claus. God is every bit as real as Santa Claus. |
Enlightenment
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It's been 2000 years, I don't think he's coming back. It's been 2000 years, I don't think he's coming back. |
Enlightenment
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Why are people atheists? If anyone says that they can't understand why are you an Atheist, then ask them if they believe in Zeus. When they say "No", tell them "It's sort of like that." |
Enlightenment
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Atheists believe in the 1st amendment! Atheists believe in the 1st amendment, christians don't! |
Shug
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Kent My goodness (N.B. two "o"s) Kent, you have got your knickers in a twist, haven't you? I'm so glad that I live in a country where the church don't have politics so tied up that people have to be pretend to be christians just to have a chance of being a candidate. |
gaki
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Woooooo someone is off his meds! @ Kent Perry Take a deep breath, man. Seriously. Save some hate for the other minorities and don't spend it all in one place. Oh, and "genocide" is a noun, not a verb. You can't "genocide" someone. Pedantic, I know, but when you want to lay down a good rant and expose both your bigotry and your ignorance, it is more effective at rallying the masses when you use the language properly. Otherwise, you just look, well, foolish. I only live in Tampa part time. I'm Canadian by citizenship, so you go right ahead and get that evolution right on out of your school system so that my Canadian son doesn't have to compete with any American students for grants. The rest of the scientific community will welcome the reduction in competition for funding dollars. Oh, and you might want to learn something about atheism. You clearly think you know a lot, but I'm here to tell you that you really don't. |
Kent Perry, AZ
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... Enlightenment, you make patent everything I have said and while you go off with your tit for tat monosyllabic diatribe about Christians not being for free speech, it is the atheists employing the ACLU in law suits for (get this) being "OFFENDED" every time someone says (Brace yourself I know how you atheists skin starts to blister, burn) when ever someone says the word,, "GOD" So don't give me your BS about free speech when what you got to say is a lot about absolutely NOTHING because you have no belief but that isn't what atheism is about. No atheism has morphed into a full fledged dogmatic religion complete with its own doctrine of accusing every one who doesn't agree with you as bigots while in the same voice pissing everyone off that you can invoking your intellectual snobbery at every opportunity. Your argumentative nature displays only a willingness to argue but not the ability to argue. YOU NEED MORE PRACTICE HOMICIDE. |
Kent Perry, AZ
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... Gaki, you illiterate twit, I used the word "Genocides" in the same context they use it here http://www.yale.edu/gsp/ you gonna correct their use of it too or is that just something you resort to when Christians paint your godless dumb ass in a corner in debate. |
Kent Perry, AZ
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... Gaki I'll put my home school kids against your teen pregnant math and science failing, meth using, school ditching, snot nosed rug rats any day and you'll understand why America ranks so low in education because we got a bunch of dumb atheists running our public school system Enjoyhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=edZ1xhozjzQ |
Kent Perry, AZ
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... Raven, you are the only dumb ass here and your argument isn't with me about atheism being a religion, it is with the Supreme Court ya moron. |
Kent Perry, AZ
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... @Enlightenment WTF dude ya have to plagiarize other peoples material?? http://www.google.com/url?sa=t...t6FZHiX-bQ And you call yourself a "Free thinker" HA HA HA Yeah it's free when someone else has to do the thinking for ya eh dumb ass |
Raytheist
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What a low-quality, poorly written diatrebe I don't know whether this is supposed to be reporting or commentary but it does an abysmal job either way. "Seemingly, 90 percent of Tampa Bay would disagree with the coalitions’ billboards." So what? They still have a right to free speech, and they paid for the billboard. If 90% of Tampa Bay said the earth was flat, that wouldn't change anything. "No group has ever made such an effort to articulate that which they don't believe." Newsflash, it says right in their name what they believe in - reason. "In contrast to its anti-religious sentiments, the atheist movement has ironically morphed into a religion of sorts. It has erected foundations, staged marches, and planned retreats — all in the name of … nothing." Ah yes, the tired old "atheism is just another religion" canard. This is like saying that health is just another disease. Look, if you were constantly being told that you were an evil and stupid person for not believing in leprechauns, and your tax money was being taken to promote leprechaun belief, you would be pretty vocal about not believing in leprechauns (assuming you're an aleprechaunist.) And how are these billboards an "attack" on christians anyway? Obviously you are not very secure in your belief if it is threatened by the mere expression of the incontrovertible fact that nonbelievers exist. |
Louis Rizzo
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Atheists Retaliate Against Christian Billboards It seems like every athiest in America has an opinion on Ravens article. Funny , I didn't know athiest believed in things that The New American stand for. I wouldn't read the "Village Voice " ( a New York City leftwing newspaper) or go to President Obama's website. If you don't like reading what God Fairing people believe then don't read articles from the New American! By the way, this country was Founded on Religious Freedom and our Laws were based on the 10 Commandments! |
Kent Perry, AZ
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... Mark wrote: {"Seems Christians make quite a bit of effort to oppose the teaching of evolution in schools, opposing the separation of church & state, gay marriage, abortion, etc") Wrong Mark, WE aren't the ones employing the ACLU to keep a monopoly on one draconian asinine darwinian attached hypothesis to the science of Biology, ATHEISTS do that. We aren't the ones opposing the separation of church and state in Government, Atheists do that. Atheist are the ones suing this guy that guy saying they can't say God or use the words in God we trust or any other for of religious expression guaranteed by the 1st amendment. In Fact puss cake, Christians are the ones that came up with the idea where Thomas Jefferson was astute in his study of the Bible, explaining to the danbury baptists the Bibles own instruction not to make a state religion jeremiah 17:9 on separation of church and state. So if it wasn't for Christians wanting a secular Government in a Christian nation, you'd probably be practicing sharia law by now. Now you say we oppose gay marriage and abortion and you are correct. I mean after all try using that "staggering intellect" we hear so much about from atheists but never see it. "Homosexual Marriage" they want us to make believe that “marriage” can mean something it has never meant before, that the rectum is as suitable a receptacle for the male seed as the womb; and that a filthy smelly disease prone and fruitless union is equal in dignity to one that produces human life. Sorry, that just doesn't register |
Kent Perry, AZ
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... That the gay loving another same sex partner is as worthy of being respected as those bearing a love much more worthy of our making. A sacred and higher regarded union, the love of children and family. This is where things like tax breaks and special class distinctions are rightly given and respected for the sacrifices the parents of such unions must make to raise the sons and daughters of Americas future. Being someones lover in a gay relationship makes a couple, it doesn't make a family. No one else benefits from this kind of union save for the two people that are claiming to need the same tax breaks merely because they are gay and now married. This would be the same or un-married couples then and anyone in a relationship or even going steady, would now have the same right to it therebye creating a burden on the economy as a whole and what ever tax breaks families had would then be negated in real purchasing power since they would lose the advantage of having a tax break when just about anyone would have it also. The increase would be absorbed in the way of increased prices of what the new market would bear leaving the family, at a disadvantage and making marriage a luxury most heterosexuals would find cost prohibitive diminishing marriage like it has everywhere same sex marriage is allowed. If Sodom & Gomorrah is a myth, atheist scientists and archeologists need to explain the more than 1,500,000 bodies found buried in vertical shafts, inside 3 ancient cemeteries there. Also, where did the millions of round balls of nearly pure sulfur (brimstone) found there come from? The area is now a hot, barren desert. If it were not well watered before the destruction as the Bible says - how could the area have supported well over a million well fed people? Were all of them dominating eachother in some ritual of gay sex? |
Kent Perry, AZ
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... Gay’ Propaganda Tactics: In their 1989 book “After the Ball,” homosexual ideologues Marshall Kirk and Hunter Madsen advised fellow “gay” activists to show the public “images of ranting homohaters whose associated traits and attitudes appall and anger Middle America” — by equating pro-family opponents to Nazis, the Klan, etc. Twenty years later, homosexuals are using the same dirty tactics against people of faith — suggesting that Christian and church opposition to homosexuality causes violence against homosexuals. Such lies are part of the Gay Lobby’s ends-justifies-the-means campaign to win superior legal rights that undermine historic American religious freedoms. Federal “hate crimes” legislation including homosexuality and gender confusion will lay the groundwork for the persecution of religious Americans or anyone who acts on the belief that homosexuality is wrong — as well as pro-life activists working to save unborn babies and those who fight jihadist Islamo-fascism. Every red state with no “sexual orientation” laws will instantly be affected by this federal power-grab that guarantees unequal treatment in the law by awarding homosexuals, bisexuals and the gender confused specially protected “civil rights” status. Estrogens are female hormones. If you're a woman, you're flooding your system with a substance it can't handle in surplus. If you're a man, you're suppressing your masculinity and stimulating your "female side," physically and mentally. In fetal development, the default is being female. All humans (even in old age) tend toward femininity. The main thing that keeps men from diverging into the female pattern is testosterone, and testosterone is suppressed by an excess of estrogen. |
Kent Perry, AZ
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... If you're a grownup, you're already developed, and you're able to fight off some of the damaging effects of soy. Babies aren't so fortunate. Research is now showing that when you feed your baby soy formula, you're giving him or her the equivalent of five birth control pills a day. A baby's endocrine system just can't cope with that kind of massive assault, so some damage is inevitable. At the extreme, the damage can be fatal. Soy is feminizing, and commonly leads to a decrease in the size of the penis, sexual confusion and homosexuality. That's why most of the medical (not socio-spiritual) blame for today's rise in homosexuality must fall upon the rise in soy formula and other soy products. (Most babies are bottle-fed during some part of their infancy, and one-fourth of them are getting soy milk!) Homosexuals often argue that their homosexuality is inborn because "I can't remember a time when I wasn't homosexual." No, homosexuality is always deviant. But now many of them can truthfully say that they can't remember a time when excess estrogen wasn't influencing them. |
Kent Perry, AZ
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... Raytheist said: "Ah yes, the tired old "atheism is just another religion" canard. This is like saying that health is just another disease. " In fact Ratheist, why wouldn't we think can be just a disease? I mean the state of your health may be affected by several diseases besides the disease of atheism, but I don't get it?? Was you comment supposed to be slick or clever or something? If you got a disease, you got health. May not be good health but if you don't think that health and disease are inextricably linked in the assessment of health in general, I wouldn't be surprised, after all, you ARE a part of the "science community" jeeez no wonder the U.S. is doing so lousy in Math and Science. We got idiots like ratheist who can't make the nexus that health and disease are like health and exercise. |
Kent Perry, AZ
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... Raytheist said: "Ah yes, the tired old "atheism is just another religion" canard. This is like saying that health is just another disease. " No canard at all raytheist it is a supreme court ruling and one AN ATHEIST brought to the high court. Yeah THAT was real "BRITE Free Thinkin" there wasn't atheists!!!! You guys like the taste of shoe leather? Ya just put a whole shoe store in your mouth with that "canard" ratheist. heheheh dumb ass. |
jay blue
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so, so many heathens in Tampa Bay... they are making atheist movies here about punching children until they explode, and also talking cats , which is sinful. http://vimeo.com/9174900 |
Elmer
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All atheists, without exception, will one day believe in God. Guaranteed. The devils also believe, and tremble. Can I prove there is a God? Yes, for I am fearfully and wonderfully made. That I exist is proof. Though an atheist made not realize it, or accept it (yet), each and every one is also fearfully and wonderfully made. By your very existence, you are proof of the Creator. Now I ask each of you... prove me wrong. All atheists, without exception, will one day believe in God. Guaranteed. Many of your numbers now believe, and they would like nothing better than to reveal to you the truth they have belatedly found. They despair for their inability to share that knowledge. You should read I Don't Have Enough Faith to Be an Atheist by Norman Geisler. |
Frank Schlernitzauer
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... The Bible tells us only 'the fool says there is no God'; just because a person says there is a God does not mean they actually believe upon Him- and of course am speaking of the One true LORD of all, Jesus Christ! |
Elmer
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Frank Schlernitzauer You are, of course, 100% correct. The point I was making was not that there would be acceptance but merely recognition. One should pray that recognition, followed by acceptance, should occur in the heart of an atheist prior to the grave. Once the grave has been reached, there is no chance for acceptance (redemption), but recognition will most definitely occur. |
MD
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... Leave the billboards to stores and shopping and leave your radically ideologies in your own house, these firth disguises me. |
Dave
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Wishing... Wishing doesn't make it so. Sorry that some of you guys cannot accept your imaginary friend isn't real. I hope that you will someday find reason and rational thought. I used to live in the religion Matrix, but then I freed my mind with rational thought. It was scary at first. It is as if you are naked to the world, without your imaginary friend to hold your hand. However, the truth is that your imaginary friend was holding you back the whole time. If you accept that there is no god, afterlife, etc, and live in the now, then you live life without compromise. You learn that you can be charitable and kind, not because a deity has a magic carrot and stick, but you do it because it is the right thing to do. You learn that morality doesn't come from a book, but your actions. Morality is NOT the exclusive domain of any religion. You learn the wonder that is the natural world, and you embrace instead of fear new scientific discoveries, since they no longer threaten your restrictive dogmatic view of the world. It is very liberating. |





The Tampa Bay area of Florida may be the unfortunate site of the looming apocalypse, as local Christians and atheists battle over billboard space.

