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| Solar Power Generation: Boon or Boondoggle | | Print | |
| Written by Ed Hiserodt | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| Wednesday, 14 April 2010 01:00 | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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While there is a good bit of truth in the story regarding solar power, we find, as usual, that the devil keeps getting into those details. We might question why — in light of solid public support, years of subsidized development, dozens of taxpayer-financed pilot plants, media hype, and political grandstanding — solar electricity only increased from an invisible 0.014 percent of the electricity generation in the United States to an unnoticeable 0.021 percent over the period 1998 to 2008, the last figures available. * The capacity factor of a power plant or other energy producer is defined as the percentage of power actually generated over a year when compared to the power that would have been generated if the plant had been operating continuously at 100 percent capacity over the year. — Photo by Randy Montoya Trackback(0)
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Vinnie
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Thumbs Up Good article with solid math. I always suspected that solar power generation was an albatross but now I can see exactly how. |
John Squire
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Flawed Reporting Your article contains stale facts regarding the cost of PV generation facilities. FPL's DeSoto system is an anomaly, but the writer conveniently selected that project as the example. Many solar firms in the U.S. have proven that large-scale projects (i.e. those 10 megawatts and up) can be built for $3/watt -- and that number will continue to go down. |
Jaggu
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This is skewed version with financial interest in killing solar power generation this is total no sense. no science can be started with keeping profits on day 1 in mind. continiuous investment in solar research will ensure that we reach a stage where this is profitable. Appanrelty the author has financial interest in killing solar power generation! |
JayDick
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... I see no way solar or wind energy can ever be an adequate substitute for energy from coal and nuclear plants. They have had their chance and the prospects still don't look good. It's time to write off the bad investments in these dead ends and put money into something viable, like new nuclear technologies that have little or no radioactive waste. |
Art
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... Unfortunately, the article overstates the agony. Here in Minnesota we have a monitored array of 14 - 13.3% panels totaling 175 sq. ft. with a average metered output over 4 years time averaging 7.21 KWh /day. For the local utility the good news is that this power is offsetting high cost peak power that they don't have to generate. It does not offset base power. There are no batteries involved as any extra power is fed back into the grid for use by someone else. All concerned find it to be a win-win situation. The owner sprays now rub glass cleaner on the array once a year after pollen season to clean. The amount of real estate required for renewable generation is large. It turns out that here in MN mounting an average of 700 sq. fe. of 20% efficient pan on each of 1.4M residences would produce ALL of 22,000GWh of metered electricity or 69,000GWh of Consumed energy currently used Residentially in MN. But entirely achieveable in about 8 to 10 years time. It requires, at the national level 3.2 times as much consumed energy for every KWh of metered energy and that consumption generates 1,392 lbs. CO2 per metered KWh. (DOE + EPA DATA) |
John Wanton
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Poorly written and loaded with half truths and old data points... The author postures as if an expert, but clearly he is not an expert. Almost as if you are writing a parody of the typical solar naysayer. Your nuclear arguments are especially comical...as if nuclear had to pay for its own insurance (back by the full faith and credit of the US gov...w/o this they could not compete with other sources of power. The risk premiums to insure nuclear facilities make them unable to find financing--reason they don't get built anymore. |
journeyhome
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Nuclear Power Has Never Turned A Profit I read with an open mind your article but the glaring fact that nuclear, oil, coal and timber are all heavily subsidized by tax payers for half a century now - didn't merit a mention. Nuclear power has never turned a profit even with zero percent interest and loan guarantees from the tax payers through OUR government. That's why they haven't been built. |
journeyhome
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... Nuclear waste - well I guess we just ignore that and it will go away. The fact of the matter is that we have to try everything including conservation, retrofitting for high efficiency, updating the power grid for better monitoring and efficiency and create new market models where we consume less. |
journeyhome
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... You cry about cleaning off the lens is labor intensive - hello that equals job creation. When they rolled the model T's off the assembly line did they envision the cars we have on the road today or the next generation vehicles? When the Wright Brothers launched their plane at Kitty Hawk did they envision orbiting space stations powered by the sun and solar sails? When they built the first computer occupying full warehouse sized rooms - did they envision you could have one in your phone? |
journeyhome
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... It has to be done, it has to be figured out and reading some of these reviewer comments - it looks like a lot of people are calling you out for propaganda and old data. The funny part is whether that is true or not doesn't even really matter. Because your solution seems to be - don't try to invent, don't fund research, shrug your shoulders, quit, and stick your head in the sand. Staying with the current technology, consumption and waste as is (the status quo) is totally unacceptable. |
journeyhome
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... I'll tell you another thing - the tax payers do not want to fund an Exxon Mobil that doesn't pay taxes - they rake in enormous subsidies based on lobbying not merit. The tax payers do not want to fund nuclear disasters waiting to happen, the tax payers do not want to fund mountain top removal and the despoiling of our water and food supply. But the tax payers do want to fund research and development for clean energy and the clean up of our environment, and the advancement of medical procedures, technologies and the cure from our environmentally generated cancers. We want not only clean energy but clean food free from pesticides and herbicides that have been linked to diseases such as Parkinson's and the run off contaminating our food and fisheries. |
journeyhome
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... We know (the tax payers) that we have to live sustainably upon this Earth and that attitudes like yours won't move the ball forward one inch and that the status quo is not only no longer acceptable it's no longer doable. Paul Burke Author-Journey Home |
Jeff
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... A very good article that vindicates what I have known for a long time. The Earth recieves 1365 to 1370 watts per sq. meter at the top of the atmosphere, and up to about 300 watts per sq. meter at the surface at lower latitudes under ideal conditions. The United States used 3.35 tera watts in 2004, and the world used 15 tera watts. To provide 3.35 tera watts of energy from the Sun alone, you would need solar panels at the surface totalling an area of at least 14,000 sq. kilometers at low latitudes with constant sunshine directly overhead. Above the atmosphere, there would need to be about 2500 sq. km. of solar panels to provide the same amount of energy. These figures are under ideal conditions, with panels having 100% efficiency. Since the conditions are rarely ideal, the total area of solar panels would have to be much larger in order to provide all the energy we need. Also, it makes no sense at all to build such expansive solar energy projects that cover even just dozens of square miles, due to variations in terrain such as mountains, lakes, and rivers. It would have to be in flat area's where no one lives, or where the land is needed for other more practical purposes. |
Jeff
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... While solar energy may be practical on a very small scale in a few locations, it isn't feasible for large scale projects to provide enough energy for an advancing technological civilization such as ours. The atmosphere absorbs most of the sun's energy before it reaches the Earth's surface, and it's often cloudy, the suns angle varies a lot depending upon latitude and time of the year, and it is useless at night. Especially at higher latitudes where the nights are long, and very cold durng the winter when we need lots of energy just to stay warm. To obtain large, and increasing amounts of energy from the sun, solars panel would be better to be placed outside the atmosphere. However, even there they will need to be kept clean periodically, and asteroids would be a problem as well. Such a project is many years in the future before it will become possible for men to achieve. The potential of nuclear energy dwarfs that of solar energy by a longshot. Also, all the radioactive waste ever produced from every nuclear power plant on Earth would fit in just one modest sized sports arena. Radioactive nuclear waste is not a problem, but the mass hysteria surrounding it is an obstacle yet to be overcome. |
SCHNORCHEL
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The political effect of solar power No attention is paid to the INSDERS, who want to create an energy famine through political power. Relying on solar power can only but create an energy famine, if we do the math so aptly presented by Mr. Hiserodt. An energy famine can oppress the people so that they cannot resist the tyrannical power of the INSIDERS. Understanding the existence of the INSIDERS, as presented in books like The Shadows of Power, at http://www.shopjbs.org/index.p...power.html can go a long way toward understanding the fraud of solar power, and its intent to create an energy famine. The "back-to-nature" concept was created already during the 18th century French Revolution by philosopher Jean-Jacques Rousseau in his thesis about "The Noble Savage," which romanticizes energy-starved humans. With solar power, mankind can happily prance about in the open in loincloths, according to Rousseau. The ultimate aim of solar power is to end up back in the stone age, from which mankind strove to emerge in the first place. What kind if insanity is that? |
Johne
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Reduce Dependency on Foreign Energy I spent a year of graduate work on Solar Power, before going Nuclear. The authors numbers and stated problems are true and accurate. He left out one fact, and that is most all the semi conductor cells are manufactured in China. The manufacturing process is so nasty, we will never be able to manufacture them here in anything but experimental quantities. The U.S. Solar companies are assembling foreign made components. Solar is a good alternative energy source, if it's problems and limitations are recognized. The Greens and Solar Sales people distort the numbers, for their own interests, and in the long run harm their own cause. The country is on 48% coal energy right now (DOE stats), and no suitable replacement (incudling nuclear) is even close to making a dent in it. Energy conservation has already had most the low hanging fruit picked, so look at increasing costs for diminishing benefits as more absurd measures are proposed. Nuclear is basically dead due to Harry Reid shutting down Yucca and all the lawsuits that continue to plague that industry. Coal as a power source will not disappear in our lifetime. That is just the facts. |
Patrick Henry Sellers
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... As a licensed Master Electrician, I have had a lifetime of hands on experience with power generation and distribution. This article is right on target and the numerous negative comments are obviously coming from a concerted effort from the green lobby. Not one of the naysayers was able to get specific in their charges. Keep up the good work! |
SRT396
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It's All Expensive I am not a fan of "renewable energy" mandates by the government. Solar and industriall wind energy-generation are not cost efficient and also have their own negative environmental impacts. However, the author of the above article thinks that nuclear is cheap. Studies show that women living in the "nuclear counties," those within 100 miles of a nuclear power plant, have higher rates of breast cancer. Also, no state wants to store the nuclear waste. I would say that if you take into account all of the external costs, nuclear is extremely expensive. It is really the craziest thing that humans have done -- split atoms to generate electricity and leave the consequences for future generations. |





Polls consistently show that Americans think well of obtaining electrical power from the sun. It’s free, and there’s so much of it. All we have to do is capture a tiny fraction of what falls on Earth, and our energy needs are met. Or so the story goes.
No attention is paid to the INSDERS, who want to create an energy famine through political power. Relying on solar power can only but create an energy famine, if we do the math so aptly presented by Mr. Hiserodt. 
